I must say that I am enjoying the studies by Peter Dimond,
Catholic apologist, and have gained a great amount of knowledge from them,
although I hardly agree. I thought I'd reply with my own comments and perspective - to one of his
recent studies entitled, “Stunning: Acts 15 Proves the Papacy” at the bottom of this page.
Included below Peter Dimond's study is a rebuttal to it by Keith Thompson, a Reformist apologist, that I found very interesting.
Before I start, I wish to say I admire both of these men, both are very sincere and very studious, eloquent and extremely academic, much more than I - however, one of the great principles that one should never lose sight of is, it doesn't take brains to understand this stuff, it takes an open heart. The Bible was written so the common man could easily understand it.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence
So with a humble heart, I offer my perspective of Acts 15 and 1 Chronicles 28.
Mr. Dimond draws a connection between these two chapters as if the gather that occurred in 1 Chronicles somehow foreshadows the one in Acts the 15th chapter and thus confirming popish succession. Quite a fabrication. The word 'assemble' (to gather) in 1 Chronicles 28 and 'church' (called out) in Acts 15 certainly doesn't lend itself to any mystical connection to these two gatherings.
Although Mr. Dimond states that Jesus came to inherit the throne of
David as a spiritual kingdom, his interpretations placing Peter as a 'king'
perverts the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God, making it an earthly
kingdom merging with worldly powers, pomp, wealth and splendor supplanting
that of the Roman Emperor. This was
never the intent of Jesus. He clearly told Pilate,
"My kingdom is not of this world: if my
kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be
delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36.
Stunning: Acts 15 Proves the Papacy” Study by Peter Dimond
Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Oh my - what an indictment against Roman Catholicism - Peter emulating the pagan
emperor - supreme pontiff maximus? This would be laughable if it weren't for the millions of people who have swallowed this. By the way, the art depicting David's men with pope's hats!!!! Whooo hooo!!! Great art it is, I love it - but it's a stretch of the imagination to see the apostles running around with hats like that on. How common it is that people get a distorted view of scripture because of art. Amazing that art actually declares erroneous dogmas. People being sprinkled in baptism.... even a woman in a nun's habit to assure the Catholic brand in garb that didn't evolve until centuries later. Great "photoshopping" marketing with subliminal messages... this is plain deception - by artists that had no clue which was common - even Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel ceiling - the most beautiful art in the world - but scripturally erroneous - a powerful marketing tool for the Vatican to legitimize their fables thereby deceiving the ignorant masses.
The crux of the whole matter is:
The splendor of the temple is not an earthly kingdom but typology of heaven itself - alas - here on earth, it's the crude tabernacle which we are until we are glorified with Him!
In the Book of Acts, the apostles hot to trot to set up an earthly kingdom, but Jesus corrected them and put them on the right track:
Act 1:6 When they [the apostles] therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Peter's crucial role in the birth or subsequent development of the New Testament church is indisputable, yet the church was not built on him, but upon the foundation of apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself the chief cornerstone! Eph 2:20. When Jesus said in Matthew 16:
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
"This rock" that Jesus was referring to was the truth that Peter just finished declaring: the revelation of who Jesus is and what Peter would declare as we will soon see, NOT Peter himself. Verse 18 is a continuation of verses 16 and 17, so he was building his church by revealing to people who he is. This is why the the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets, (because they testified of him), Jesus Christ himself the chief corner stone! This is all about Jesus!
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus indeed entrusted Peter with the keys to the
kingdom of heaven, but for a for a specific purpose; the very reason why it was Peter that
was the spokesman on the Day of Pentecost, unlocking to the Jews not only who Jesus is, but the plan of
salvation in Acts 2:38. It was also Peter that was called to Samaria in Acts
the 8th chapter, as believers there had been baptized but not yet received the
Holy Ghost; then in Acts 10 chapter.
happened in each event? In each event,
there was repentance, water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost (power from on high, Luke 24:49,
Acts 1:8)- the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus in the lives of the
believers, which was foreshadowed in the tabernacle and the temple: the brazen
altar (death), brazen laver (burial) and the Holiest of Holies, where the blood
of atonement is accepted (resurrection). The experience beginning with Acts
2:38 is the fulfillment of the gospel in the lives of the believers AND the
fulfillment of the rebuilding of the tabernacle of David (Amos 9:11, quoted in
Acts 15:16). The keys that Jesus
entrusted to the apostle Peter, were used in his message which was to be the example or pattern to
follow in all the world for all times.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Ok Peter, get your keys out - tell them what they need to do!!!!
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
What could be clearer than that? The keys are Acts 2:38. This is the tabernacle rebuilt. To get to heaven, one must repent of their sins. Forget penance - the word is repentance. Then be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins... and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost - which is Christ in you the hope of glory!
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I've got something... that turned me around
I've got something that never let me down
I've got something that keeps me every day
It's a rushing... like a mighty wind
it's like fire... shut up in my bones....
It's the Holy Ghost... that Jesus is giving away!!
It's for me
It's for you
It's for your children
And their children too
It's the Holy Ghost
That Jesus is giving away!
In Acts the 2nd Chapter you can read it for yourself
You don't need to ask
Any body else
About the the Holy Ghost
That Jesus is giving away!!!!!
In the 10th chapter of the Book of Acts, 'the man with the keys' was sent to the household of Cornelius.
10:4 And when he [Cornelius] looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it,
Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a
memorial before God.
Act 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
Act 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
And before I leave this topic, let me warn readers of the penalty of tossing this experience of the Holy Ghost aside so indiscriminately:
Mat_12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
I know the devil has his counterfeits especially with these television evangelists, snake handlers, faith healers, and prosperity doctrine preachers, but let me tell you, among all of the junk floating around this world today is the genuine article. Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater! That's exactly what happens - people see this false stuff and they say they want nothing to do with any of it because it's so ugly. That's the devils business. But remember:
Pro_25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
My prayer is.... seek it out ... seek it out! The genuine baptism of the Holy Ghost exists today... it has not been done away with!
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
In Acts 15 Peter indeed gave testimony of how God used him - but that he was the head of this council of elders is stretching it. He certainly wasn't head in the 11th chapter of Acts when he was called on the carpet by the other apostles for his part in the events of the previous chapter, neither was he the big boss with the hot sauce in Galatians 2:11- 21 when Paul rebuked him. No reference by any other writers about Peter's supremacy, much less Paul's admission in 2 Corinthians 12:11 that he was on an equal plane with the other apostles - that would have been a perfect opportunity to declare Peter's supremacy if indeed he was. Neither is there any biblical reference that Peter was ever the bishop IN Rome.
In addition, no bishop of Rome led or was acquiesced to in any of the councils that history alludes to until the Chalcedon council in 451 AD and in Constantinople in 680 AD. No post apostolic church fathers wrote anything about succession.
The only real credibility to the dogma of papal supremacy until they were revealed as forgeries were the Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, and the Donation of Constantine but by the time they were discovered as bogus the camel was in the tent. I say kick the camel out and let the old coot find an altar of repentance just like the rest of us need! He's flesh and blood just like us, just like Peter said when Cornelius attempted to bow to him:
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
How in the world did things get so twisted up that people worship a MAN???? This indeed is the work of the devil! This belongs only to God!
Also - Jesus gave KEYS to Peter (used as we see in the Book of Acts) The KEY (singular) to the house of David, is none other than The Lord himself - NOT Peter!
"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" Revelation 3:7.
To make reference of Peter with that scripture is gross error.
In the last chapter of John, when Jesus asked Peter three times if he loved him... he also 'cut him down to size'... read it:
Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Looks like Peter never really got that arrogance out of his heart. Regardless of what he was commissioned to do, it doesn't look like he is in charge of John...
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
No supremacy here! Was John supposed to be submitted to Peter the pope? Not even close.
One more proof positive of the fallacy of papal succession - and that is, it's a failed system of corruption, who can deny it? How could some holy succession pass through such sinful men? I do not allege that all men who have held this position were depraved sinners but there have been enough of them that were, revealing that this this idea of succession is totally flawed, as it is a man made fallacy and not from God. Check the record. History bears this out. Anyone that cannot see this is blind. In addition, even many dedicated Catholic 'traditionalists' claim that the 'chair' of Peter has been vacant, such as Peter Dimond himself. Some traditionalists claim this fairytale chair has been vacant as far back as 100 years ago. If this is so, and the doctrine of papal succession is true, it trumps the words of Jesus that said, 'the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church'. Imagine the 'church' without a head! But thanks be to God, the whole doctrine is fallacy, and we are NOT left without a head, for the truth is, JESUS is the head, always has been, and always will be, as He said, 'I will never leave you or forsake you'. He has an infallible system that works - and that is the succession of the Holy Ghost in the lives of the believers - the Comforter; Jesus said, 'I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you! HE is our Advocate, our High Priest, our link, that is promised to all who obey Him (Acts 5:32)!!!
The crux of the whole matter (again) is this - we provide a tabernacle for Him here obeying the gospel: the death, burial and resurrection; repentance, water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost; a temple here for Him to live in us; and He'll provide a temple for us in Heaven!
No tabernacle here, no temple there!
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Oh yes, He returned, and in the hearts of Holy Ghost filled believers, He rebuilt the tabernacle of David - and soon to come, is the heavenly temple!
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And here is the glimpse of this place he has prepared for us:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
THESE are words you can trust!!!!
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Provide a temple or tabernacle for him here, and He'll provide a temple for you forever!
I pray for Peter Dimond and all Catholics - and all people everywhere - that their eyes will open
I wish you all well, and may God bless you....
In the Name of Jesus!